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Ailahh wrote:
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As long as people aren't violating the law there's no problem. I would not continue dating someone who wanted me to dress in a school uniform, though.

Funny thing is, it generally isn't an actual uniform. Just something slutty designed to LOOK like a uniform. Though I've met one guy who likes ACTUAL uniforms, noit just things that look like uniforms.


It's still adults getting off to something a child wears and it's beyond squicky.


I spose that's where our location differs, our children's (4/5-12/13ish) otherwise known as primary school uniforms around here are generally FAR from the school girl fantasies. Polo, cullottes or ants was my primary uniform. The uniform I wear now (when worn with a skirt) in high school, is far closer to the whole school girl fantasy image. The button-up slightly see through dress shirt, and pleated tartan skirt, mid thigh or far shorter in some girls' cases. The girls grow up a bit once they get to senior (16 to about 18/19 depending) and it looks a lot less like a school girl fnatasy... also considering they hardly wear a full uniform anymore. So around here the school girl thing isn;t AS bad as that sort of image is only portrated by girls from 13-19. And even then until about 15 a lot of the girls wear polos and shorts. So I suppose it also depends on the area you're in, it's not AS bad here, still a bit wrong as us teens say, but not absolutely heinously abominable in our particular area. And I mean, any adult could be forgiven for mistaking me as older than I am (been asked was I 18 before), I have already reached my adult height (I'm short... but I'm the same height s my mum, and also the women's average), and my body isn't really very child like. So I suppose it depends on the age of the uniform in question... if it was a guy in his 20s in our area, jerking off to girls in our school's senior uniform, I wouldn't really think much on it. Like everything there are varying circumstances and social customs also. It might just be some sort of... natural male thing, interesting conversation on AFA. A guy on there used some scientific study to prove males naturally went after younger looking females and they were only screwed up if it was pre-teen/pre-pubescent girls.


Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:57 am
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i feel compelled to give my 2c worth about lolita (sorry if this has been done to death)

I have a good friend who is really into lolita, and from what i can gather from talking to her and going to a couple of lolita events/meets with her, there are two types of lolitas (excluding men who wear it-i have no idea about them :? )

there are the young women and girls who do it to feel pretty whilst retaining modesty, and to attempt to hold on to a sense of innocence. (these people often put a lot of effort into the look, making it look nice, getting good quality lace- my friend is OBSESSED with lace :lol: )

and then there are the other girls. my friend describes them using the Japanese word for 'painful' because they wear really bad quality dresses, and don't understand that it is about modesty. they are more into looking outrageous and getting attention, and often do act in a sort of sexy way. which i won't deny is truly disturbing. :shock:

aaaanyway, this has pretty much been said, but i wanted to tell it like it is in Adelaide, down under.
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p.s. i was also confused about stockings, because my parents freaked out when i turned an old pair of stocking socks into gloves. :roll: so i'm glad this is cleared up: it used to mean you were a prostitute, but now it doesn't but still has some sexual connotations.... right? Might be still confused. :oops:

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Ailahh wrote:
It might just be some sort of... natural male thing, interesting conversation on AFA. A guy on there used some scientific study to prove males naturally went after younger looking females and they were only screwed up if it was pre-teen/pre-pubescent girls.


Yes, some creepy guys will try to use the tired argument about it being 'perfectly natural' to want young girls. But once you reach a certain age you have to grow up and realize that we are not animals subject to our most base instincts. As I said earlier, a guy in his early 20s isn't creepy for wanting to date 18 year old girls(personally I don't think they have any business dating anyone younger than that, teens should stick with teens). If it's a male in his 30s or 40s, yep that's definitely majorly creepy and has more to do with them mentally wanting to recapture their youth than anything biological. Trust me, not ALL or even most, men want young girls instead of women.

Terscha, unfortunately most of the 'lolitas' that people see and are familiar with are the more sexualized, immodest ones that have been fetishized by the adult industry. It grosses me the hell out. I don't see anything explicitly sexual about wearing fishnet on one's arms(or anywhere, actually. I don't have weird hang ups about hosiery.). Fishnet was seen as more the attire of a prostitute even as recently as the '80s so people probably still feel odd about it for that reason. To me, it's how and when you're wearing it. If you're just wearing it out with a skirt and a nice outfit, nothing sexual. If you're wearing it with a corset, a nice thong and some beautiful heels, totally sexual.

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It's strange how liberal our uniform is in regards to showing skin. Our shirt buttons generally have 2 left unbuttoned, some girls have had 3 in the past (so as it ends JUST under their boobs). Our skirts are quite short in comparison to the regular woll knee lengths I see at other schools, and they are also light cottony see through things. As well as the button up dress shirts are kinda see through. I swear our uniform was designed by a man [1], skirts that blowup in the slightest breeze, see through shirts, as well as all being very impractical, you sweat to death in winter whilst at the same time freezing. OH and the pants from the official suppliers are REALLY long, the size 8 was at least 5" too long from memory. Definitely designed by a man :P


[1]Sexist thing my mother always says, yeah, I know :)


I was a Librarian in a library that was next door to a school that required uniforms. For girls it was either a white shirt with a plaid skirt, or a burgundy shirt with tan slacks. The older girls would alter or pull their skirts up under the waist to make them shorter, and/or wear a shirt a size too small. Or they would alter the slacks to make them skin tight. I was amazed at how they were actually able to get away with this, since it seemed to negate one of the primary reasons for the uniforms in the first place.


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At my Catholic school girls wore skorts, but not skirts (you weren't allowed), and polos. Boys wore tan pants and polos. Granted my school only went up the seventh grade. Even the Catholic high school nearby required the skirts to be below the knee and they had to wear sweater vests over their button up shirts. I never noticed much uniform altering there.

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Wolfmammy wrote:
Ailahh wrote:
It might just be some sort of... natural male thing, interesting conversation on AFA. A guy on there used some scientific study to prove males naturally went after younger looking females and they were only screwed up if it was pre-teen/pre-pubescent girls.


Yes, some creepy guys will try to use the tired argument about it being 'perfectly natural' to want young girls. But once you reach a certain age you have to grow up and realize that we are not animals subject to our most base instincts. As I said earlier, a guy in his early 20s isn't creepy for wanting to date 18 year old girls(personally I don't think they have any business dating anyone younger than that, teens should stick with teens). If it's a male in his 30s or 40s, yep that's definitely majorly creepy and has more to do with them mentally wanting to recapture their youth than anything biological. Trust me, not ALL or even most, men want young girls instead of women.

Terscha, unfortunately most of the 'lolitas' that people see and are familiar with are the more sexualized, immodest ones that have been fetishized by the adult industry. It grosses me the hell out. I don't see anything explicitly sexual about wearing fishnet on one's arms(or anywhere, actually. I don't have weird hang ups about hosiery.). Fishnet was seen as more the attire of a prostitute even as recently as the '80s so people probably still feel odd about it for that reason. To me, it's how and when you're wearing it. If you're just wearing it out with a skirt and a nice outfit, nothing sexual. If you're wearing it with a corset, a nice thong and some beautiful heels, totally sexual.


I've never eally seen a problem with attraction, just when they want beyond it, I found the AFA post in the archives, posted by Darwinsbulldog.

Darwinsbulldog (AFA) wrote:
@WAS. If find them disturbing also.
There is nothing sick about male attraction to neotenic females, in fact males selected women to look that way! Evolution!

It only becomes warped when pre-teen females become the objects of attraction. It is a mis-firing [or by-product] in much the same way as a host bird will preferentially feed the larger Cuckoo chick to it's own.

Many males naturally prefer younger [or younger-looking] females. This is not a perfect evolutionary strategy, because the younger female, although they tend to have children with less birth defects and tend to die less in childbirth, they can also be less competent mothers. Swings and roundabouts.

In some pre-indutrial African cultures, it was considered an honour for a younger female to have her first child by the chief before being married. If we set aside the obvious self-serving nature of this custom for the chief and males in general, it makes some sort of sense. Marrying a female of proven fertility and motherhood skills is a good choice from the male point of view.

As both these "strategies" work, there is no fixation in the population of any one strategy. from the male perspective, boffing a teen, or boffing an experienced milf are both good ways of getting your genes passed on.

Rape, although more common than we would like, is not a good strategy, partly because of cryptic female ovulation. It usually pays more to hang around, and boff the same lady often and guard her. While you are doing that, it also makes sense to contribute to your children's care, because human kids are so damn helpless for so long, and parental investment has to be very high and sustained so parents that stick together [cheat little] and cooperate are more likely to have their offspring survive to adulthood.
Sowing a few wild oats, for both males and females does produce offspring, but not as many as in "marriages".

Nevertheless, for female, some polyandry can work, especially in an unstable environment or under high parasite loads. [The advantage of variety and "bet-hedging"]. So a good strategy is to get a good father, and cuckold him a little. [In other words, reward him by having some of his kids, but protect your own genes by also mating with an alpha, or at least, a variety of males]. This can be overdone, because male paranoia about female "cheating" is not totally without basis in fact, because some females use the strategy I have outlined above].


This guy is a general "the facts and nothing but" type. HE personally doesn't like the older males with younger females idea as he said, but has scientific evidence to say it's not totally sick until it extends to preteen girls.

I think ripped stockings and fishnets is just left over taboo from very modest times. Just some residue :D


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It still doesn't change what I think about it. You can't compare adults in a first world country with people living in poverty in a tribal state in a third world country. People in some tribes in Africa think that raping a virgin will cure AIDS.

Also, I don't know what he's thinking lumping rape in there with fertility and passing on genes. Rape has nothing to do with wanting to pass on ones genes. It has everything to do with wanting to subjugate the victim. He seems quite ignorant about that, as well.

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Sorry I;ve been gone a while Wolfmammy, I AM getting back to you just haven;t been on things have been a little hectic.

It'll take me a while to remember things :(


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Errmm... The quote smacks of Evo Psych.

I wouldn't listen to guys like this. There's not a lot of concrete evidence involved - it's a pseudoscience and can twisted about to support almost any personal view of any nature. Anyone can claim something as fact without proof.

(This statement isn't hitting at you, Ailahh, but the men who use it to excuse chauvinism and bad behaviour. I've simply heard this sort or 'reasoning' used to rationalize a lot of sexist norms, views and behaviour.Infidelity, gender roles, double standards, aggression, harassment, rape, pedophilia/ephebophilia.. all 'natural', because of the way men and women 'evolved'. :roll:)

It's just a pack of generalisations and excuses - but it can also be used deliberately as a way of trolling.

Wolfie, any such assertions backed up by this kind of 'evidence' is best taken with a large grain of salt. ;)

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Errmm... The quote smacks of Evo Psych.

I wouldn't listen to guys like this. There's not a lot of concrete evidence involved - it's a pseudoscience and can twisted about to support almost any personal view of any nature. Anyone can claim something as fact without proof.

(This statement isn't hitting at you, Ailahh, but the men who use it to excuse chauvinism and bad behaviour. I've simply heard this sort or 'reasoning' used to rationalize a lot of sexist norms, views and behaviour.Infidelity, gender roles, double standards, aggression, harassment, rape, pedophilia/ephebophilia.. all 'natural', because of the way men and women 'evolved'. :roll:)

It's just a pack of generalisations and excuses - but it can also be used deliberately as a way of trolling.

Wolfie, any such assertions backed up by this kind of 'evidence' is best taken with a large grain of salt. ;)


Thanks for letting me know the name of it, Batty! I'd heard it used for those things before just didn't know what it was called. That link is too funny! :lol:

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Imteresting, I have only heard of Evo Psych in passing, but after a little look it does appear to be real (as in papers on .edu sites.) Of course the funny chart demonstrates the usual grab bag of nutters trying to justify any scientic finding in general inflexible political, societal terms (a pet peeve of mine).
We are not genetic robots or pure blank slates, but a mix that produces individuals with a wide range of talents, someone telling me I can or cannot do, just because of gender, sex etc. is asking to be laughed at. Knowing more about the human condition is to be applauded, as long as its bloody science and not some perversion of it.

Cool, learned something more today, though I will be on the lookout for the EV nutjob brigade from now on. :wink:

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