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Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby demon17 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:10 pm

The USA is still the leading power of the free world, but some politicians who want leadership show alarming deficits about the polixcy of their country. After Tea Party Icon Sarah Palin, who was well knon for her lack of knowledge about the world she wants to rule now Herman Cain puts the blame on himself. I think the futuruos leader of the worlds one and only superpower should be able to answer questions about the most important issues of international policy. Should there be tests for candidates who want to become president of the USA?

Herman Caine about war in Libya
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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby Nephele » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:46 am

That was just painful to watch.

demon17 WroteColon Should there be tests for candidates who want to become president of the USA?


Yes, and we do have those tests. They're called political debates, during which Americans have the opportunity to see how their candidates respond to the tough questions posed to them.

I've been following the Republican debates for the past several months now, but not so much the Democratic debates because I think it's a given that the Democrats are going to back Obama for a second term.

Presidential nominee candidates are also under scrutiny right now regarding their personal lives, and Herman Cain appears to be handling his sexual harassment scandal very poorly.

I loved what one person posted to that video you linked: "I never touched her libya." lol

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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby Arbitrator » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:12 am

To be honest I don't think anybody has a clue about what should be done to Libya. It would be political suicide to say the truth that Libya is destabilized to the point its about to be a breeding ground for insurgents, and a stable replacement government is forming/has formed when it hasn't. Truth be told I doubt anyone be it the U.S., E.U. And so on would be willing to do any meaningful security mission to stabilize the region long enough for Libya to recover.

What's above is pretty much a non B.S. Assessment on Libya, and if Cain said the above his political career would be over. Thank god im not a politician, I can't handle bullshitting for a living.

Nephele WroteColon Herman Cain appears to be handling his sexual harassment scandal very poorly.


In all fairness we don't truly know if he's truly guilty of the accusations. Politics and politicians play dirty, and I suspect this was just a tactic used to get Cain out of the race. But you are right, he is handling it poorly.
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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby Arquinsiel » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:55 am

Arbitrator WroteColonTo be honest I don't think anybody has a clue about what should be done to Libya.
It should be left the fuck alone to deal with it's own problems. Insurgents only breed when you give them reason to.
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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby demon17 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:37 am

I wonder why he not said just the same like to Iran. "I don't have the information which are needed to judge that." Whether the new regime was worth a war, we will see in a few years. In fact this question was an invitation to critisize Obama. a) USA changed it's position within a few hours. b) It looked like French Prime Minister Sarkozy would lead them. c)When Nato starts with airstrikes just one big city was not under control of Ghadafi. A few thousand people might have been killed. Then the war would have been done. So 30 000 - 60 000 had been killed and war wasted the whole country. The oil prices increased. For what? To bring some radical muslims into power?
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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby Nephele » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:59 am

Arquinsiel WroteColon
Arbitrator WroteColonTo be honest I don't think anybody has a clue about what should be done to Libya.
It should be left the fuck alone to deal with it's own problems. Insurgents only breed when you give them reason to.


^^^^This. I think Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who is saying the same thing. Except... (to quote Jon Stewart) "The guy's for gay marriage, legalizing drugs, and against military spending. He's criticized Ronald Reagan. He's certainly capable of winning his party's nomination, but the Republicans ain't his party."

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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby sgath92 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:19 am

Nephele WroteColonThat was just painful to watch.

demon17 WroteColon Should there be tests for candidates who want to become president of the USA?


Yes, and we do have those tests. They're called political debates, during which Americans have the opportunity to see how their candidates respond to the tough questions posed to them.


Though these debates do allow the candidates to cheat. Candidates can bring their advisers, spin wizards, and speech writers and consult them in the middle of the debates during commercial breaks and so on.

Depending on how cynical you are, one could also ask whether or not they get any hints towards what questions will be asked ahead of time as well. But I don't have any personal knowledge on that one way or another, whereas I do know that certain candidates during the debates have run off between questions so that their insiders can tell them what to say next.

That's why you have to be really incompetent in order to get major facts wrong during a debate. You're already told what to say ahead of time, you're already given the answers, you already know all the talking points you should use. If you still get it wrong? Then that's a problem.
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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby Nephele » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:26 am

sgath92 WroteColonThough these debates do allow the candidates to cheat. Candidates can bring their advisers, spin wizards, and speech writers and consult them in the middle of the debates during commercial breaks and so on.


Judging by the poor showing of some of the leading Republican candidates (on-air, embarrassing bickering amongst themselves, Herman Cain's crazy "apples vs. oranges" defense of his even crazier "9-9-9" tax plan, Rick Perry's recent brain fart, etc.), all I can say is, if they do have "help" during commercial breaks, they either need to fire their "help" – or they're all much worse than imagined. (Except I think Ron Paul makes sense.)

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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby ittybittybat » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:54 am

Haha, everyone just kind of ignores Ron Paul but he's probably the most sane person up there.
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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby Wolfmammy » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:07 pm

I don't know if there are any truly sane candidates.
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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby demon17 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:21 am

There might be a difference between the political system in the USA and the most European countries. The patries in America are more like platforms for several candidates which they sent into a competition before one of them becomes the one and only candidate of the party. I think it's called caucus. When there are no elections, they nearly don't exist.

The parties in Europe are much more rigid organized here and candidates for leading positions are checked in different political jobs over many years. Cognitiv blackouts like that are nearly impossible. European politicians would have answered something in a fluent way, whether they were informed or not. Even if the content might have been near by zero. The disadvantage of this system is, people who wants to become politicians often have to follow a policy which they don't want. Over a long period, this leads to more and more new parties .
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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby lostindreaming » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:48 am

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...In all fairness we don't truly know if he's truly guilty of the accusations. Politics and politicians play dirty, and I suspect this was just a tactic used to get Cain out of the race. But you are right, he is handling it poorly.


Cain lost me completely when he declared that if people do not have jobs "it's their own fault". Easy for a multimillionaire to say, while he's standing on Wall Street.
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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby Nephele » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:52 am

demon17 WroteColonOver a long period, this leads to more and more new parties .


Our own system (like yours in Germany) also leads to more new parties -- particularly when people become dissatisfied or disillusioned with the two main, media-supported parties of the U.S. We've had some single-issue parties develop, such as the Rent Is Too Damn High Party, during New York's 2010 gubernatorial campaign.

But candidates for the U.S. Presidency in recent years have included members of more established political parties such as the Libertarian Party, Green Party, Socialist Workers Party, and others.

It's just that the Democrats and the Republicans are the two biggest parties, and so they get all the media coverage. Which is a shame, really, because a lot of us (particularly independents, or those inclined towards the Libertarian Party) think that in too many ways there's often not much difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.

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Re: Why I'm afraid of candidates like that?

Postby Wolfmammy » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:54 am

demon17 WroteColonThere might be a difference between the political system in the USA and the most European countries. The patries in America are more like platforms for several candidates which they sent into a competition before one of them becomes the one and only candidate of the party. I think it's called caucus. When there are no elections, they nearly don't exist.

The parties in Europe are much more rigid organized here and candidates for leading positions are checked in different political jobs over many years. Cognitiv blackouts like that are nearly impossible. European politicians would have answered something in a fluent way, whether they were informed or not. Even if the content might have been near by zero. The disadvantage of this system is, people who wants to become politicians often have to follow a policy which they don't want. Over a long period, this leads to more and more new parties .


'Cognitive blackout' will be my new favourite saying. Thank you, Demon!

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Postby lostindreaming » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:25 am

Nephele WroteColon
demon17 WroteColonOver a long period, this leads to more and more new parties .


Our own system (like yours in Germany) also leads to more new parties -- particularly when people become dissatisfied or disillusioned with the two main, media-supported parties of the U.S. We've had some single-issue parties develop, such as the Rent Is Too Damn High Party, during New York's 2010 gubernatorial campaign.

But candidates for the U.S. Presidency in recent years have included members of more established political parties such as the Libertarian Party, Green Party, Socialist Workers Party, and others.

It's just that the Democrats and the Republicans are the two biggest parties, and so they get all the media coverage. Which is a shame, really, because a lot of us (particularly independents, or those inclined towards the Libertarian Party) think that in too many ways there's often not much difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.

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Unfortunately, it's not just media coverage. The system is heavily skewed towards the two major parties. For example, they face very restrictive ballot access. Usually, a party must have garnered 5 percent of the votes in he last election to quality for Federal funds. Restrictive ballot access is one of the reasons why many candidates in local and state elections run unopposed.
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