I've just red an article on the Washington Post's Website. It is called, "Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.

It's about the development of the GOP onto a radical, destructive, partisan organisation, which intends to destroy the state of the USA. Are the conservatives subversive in America, when they try to undermine the financial agency of the gouvernment through obstruction policy? Do they still respect the human rights, when they seriously discuss restrictions, which deeply affect the private sphere of free citizens through issues which are concerned to sexuality, for instance? Can you still imagine a democratic majority for the GOP, in times where the midclass becomes smaller and the policy of the republicans is focussed to gain benefits for the rich, on cost of the rest of the society? Is it possible, to substitute a rational discourse through religous fundamentalism, which rejects each scientific rationale?



I don't know much about America, but it is still the leading nation of the free world. On the one side Europeans like to save lots of money through free riding under the military shelter of the USA, on the other side there is a rational, human policy which avoids war and economic crisis wherever it's possible, is strongly requested. So my question is, what would the rest of the world would have to expect from a republican president?

I'm not sure but it makes me uneasy. It kind of bugs me that all of the republican candidates have a pro-life stance. Not to derail the thread with this nonsense (Please don't make this an abortion derail folks), but it makes me wonder if they value agenda over the rights of established citizens.

In the wake of Obama I fear that a really extreme person might be able to stir up votes with the right political manipulation of American citizens.

Neither side can claim to be morally superior on the basis of civil liberties. Just look at how many Bush era anti-terrorism efforts the Obama Admin has refused to get rid of. We're not talking just the Patriot Act here but also NSA spy programs aimed at American civilians through fiberoptic & satelite tapping. It was during President Obama's term that the NSA finally got the green light to start construction on what will be the world's largest data mining & processing center. The Utah base will be tasked with recording all the data they can get their hands on: Internet, RF, telephone/cellphone, etc and putting it in a giant server farm which'll then use a supercomputer to process for whatever ends they want. Everything you ever say on a phone? Recorded & stored without your permission. And soon they're going to add all internet communications to this list [incl private data held in accounts behind passwords not accessible to anyone other than the account holders]. CISPA, which will grant the legal authority to do what they're probably already doing illegally just passed the house due to Republican support [in particular the tea party caucus who claims to stand for small government]. Pres Obama says he will veto CISPA if it passes the Senate, but he said that about the NDAA and then signed it into law anyway.

It was also President Obama who demanded congress add a clause to the NDAA to give the executive the authority to detain US citizens on US soil without charge, trail, or due process. Essentially President Obama asked Congress invalidate the US Bill of Rights, and the Republican congress obliged. They're both guilty of blatant treason and refuse to take this part of the NDAA out. Bottom line: if they claim that a US citizen on US soil is an insurgent [they do not have to actually prove this] they can go detain the citizen and hold them forever without trial. I doubt President Obama will abuse this power, but who knows what future leaders will be inclined to do with this extreme amount of authority.

What creates the impression that Republicans are more anti-liberty than Democrats is the fact that 1- they were the ones in the whitehouse during 9/11, and 2- they cater to the religious right in ways that are more visible in citizens' day to day lives. If you live an uneventful, low profile life there is little that will effect you on a daily basis if the bill of rights is thrown in a landfill, but such citizens are going to notice if they can suddenly no longer get contraceptives, abortions, sex toys, porn, etc.

But what if you don't live a low profile life? Well the occupy protesters found out the answer to that question when the Obama Admin decided to crack down on OWS and collaborated with local mayors and law enforcement agencies to have them beaten & abused in our city streets for protesting.

The idea that Democrats take notice of science & evidence, and that Republicans don't, is ridiculous. When it comes to issues that are apart of a party's agenda they will try to do what they want to do and ignore any science/evidence that opposes them.

Case in point: In the last 20 months a dozen states have tried to ban non-traditional pets. This movement has been pushed by the Democrats due to lobbyists from PETA & HSUS. PETA/HSUS have one agenda and one agenda only: the prohibition of animal captivity [all animal captivity] because they see it as slavery. They can't go right out and try to ban cattle rising because too many people eat beef or drink milk. They cannot go right out and ban owning cats or dogs because too many citizens have such pets. But they can go after turtles, lizards, pigs, etc because very few citizens keep them as pets.

But you can't just ban an existing practice without an excuse even if not many people do it. So when the Obama Admin wanted to ban 9 snake species early this year what they did is they went and had some fake scientific evidence made up. What do I mean by that? I mean they used tax dollars to fund a scientific study that cannot be reproduced successfully by other scientists, arguing that these snakes would become a major invasive species in the southern half of the continental 48 states. The study was so flamboyantly unscientific and inaccurate that the scientific community came up with no less than five independent studies that contradicted its results. Yet these five studies were ignored, and the make believe science was used to put 5 snakes on the LACEY act. Then in Ohio there was that wildlife refuge owner whose animals got out under suspicious circumstances after his suicide and "poof" the Democrats got a different excuse to use to ban non-traditional pets [the idea that if they don't ban harmless turtles, lizards, goldfish etc people all over the US will start being killed by runaway tigers, lions, and bears]. Its not so different from how Republicans use oil-industry funded studies as makebelieve science to argue against man-made climate change/global warming while ignoring the real scientific evidence that points to the danger.

In terms of economics we only have one party pretending to be two different parties. They are all so heavily owned by corporate special interests that they don't care what is good for the middle class or the working poor. The economic reforms that have largely sent the US economy into a tail spin were authored by the neo-conservatives decades ago but in the time since both parties have been more or less in full support of them [Just look at free trade in the Clinton years].

Oh my!

Sorry, had to be done.

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The long and short of what I just deleted was that the problem is with the religious zealots who have all of the money deciding what the Republicans will and will not do by essentially holding them hostage via threats to run even more extreme candidates against them. I think these people should be in prison.

There are ways to fix this, but this will depend on a return of reason to our government.

~spidey

I just have red an article in the Herald Tribune - New York Times which is about the right shift about the GOP in the last decades.


I think partizanship in the American parliaments is one of the worst riscs for the global economy after the euro crisis, which is impaired by national populists as well.
Jeb Bush is focusing on migration policy. But this is just one issue of many where the blockade of partizan policy is causing more and more problems.

Jeb Bush Question's G.O.P.s Shift to the Right

I honestly didnt do enough research, and I plan to tomorrow so I can't say things that aren't accurate, but I will say what I know so far.

I have to say that, these republicians are pretty messed up. I despise how a lot of them are against contraceptian. WHAT, does EVERYONE HAVE TO HAVE KIDS ALL THE DAMN TIME? So that we can end up with a short supply of food? Clothing? SPACE? And what if you got raped at the age of 10-16? You're a bloody child, you can't raise a baby. I hate how...they have to put their religious views before other people's opinion and logic itself. They for some reason care about the baby. They should care about the woman. She's the one giving birth, and...they have to realize how sad it is to have a kid that you didnt WANT. We need to make kids out of love, not accidents or rape. I wish they stop making their descisions over beliefs. This isn't the 1600s. This goes with pro-life too.

I can't also stand how homophobic the republician GOP are. Get a grip. The world's not going to end if gays marry. Back in around 1950s, If I'm correct, 1954, the southerners thought that if blacks and whites intergrated, the world would end. They take it so HORRIBLY. Like it FRIGHTENED them. Look at us now. Some of us are still racist but...the world didnt end. Blacks got their rights. We're more...socially accepting now than in 1954. History repeats itself, I guess, and now it's with gays. The republicians here should think that these gays would actually HELP us. Adopting children and taking care of them, and thus we won't lose space in this Earth since these guys can't reproduce. I read an article, I may have to get the link from my friend, but this article once stated that gay parents can actually be better than straight. It was remarkable. And I just...WISH people would acknowledge that. Specific people.

They seem so Tea Party-ish. Overly conservative. On top of that...It's not even about helping this country anymore. Have you EVER paid attention to the youtube ads, and other ads on TV pointing out the flaws of one candidate, and then favoring another? It's now a competition. They have a dream to be president but they don't think about how hard it is...to be in that office. It's very stressful. People will blame you for things you cant control--like economy. The gov can help the economy by government spending, but...it's mostly the monetary policy that's in charge. Its...safe to assume that all they care about is winning. I'd rather have Obama has presidents. These idiots are probably going to be stupid enough to attack Moscow with a nuclear missle, and thus create a nuclear war. -_-;

It was the Democrats who originally wrote and passed those anti-miscegenation laws, forbidding Whites to marry Blacks, Native Americans, or Asians. Also, Alabama governor George Wallace (back in the emerging Civil Rights era) was a Democrat and he was one of the most outspoken voices against public school desegregation.

I don't know what the hell happened to the Republican party. I tend to think a take-over of the party by social conservatives is chiefly to blame.

But, as others have already pointed out in this thread, our current Democratic presidential administration doesn't have an outstanding track record, either, when it comes to civil liberties.

I can find fault with both the Republicans and the Democrats, and I don't really care much for either party.

-- Nephele

That's why I am so proud to be an Independent voter. I just wish I could vote in the primaries.

Register for both parties. If they don't let you then sue then for discrimination on the grounds of political affiliation. Foolproof.