I think they still have goth bands playing there on occasion, but since I do not live near Amsterdam and cannot easily get there I must admit that I do not follow what their program is too closely. I do know that there are a number of other locations in Amsterdam that host parties and gigs, though.

Uh, uh, always late me. I'd've written something yesterday but Gnet died and made it kinda impossible...

I like Germany too =) Even though, I so often hear that German people think of us as stupid, thieves, and that generally Poles and Germans are natural enemies (and things like Erika Steinbach and her Bundes der Vertriebenen don't help to change this)... But the German people I met were all very nice folks! ^^ Plus, oddly, I like the way German language sounds (and I wish German bands/singers stuck to German, instead of singing in English - it spoils everything for me :/ )

I think it's great there's a big scene in there. I don't honestly believe the Polish* one may ever amount to something sagnificant (nothing here ever does) - at least we have some (good) alternative. (and more personally, I'd be more interested in the German one anyway..) Even if it's a little spoilt by commercialism.

*Don't know how is it with the rest of Central/Eastern Europen countries...

And I understand the preference for smaller events. But the big ones tend to gather more bands at once which is a great advantage when someone can't really afford attending such things too often..

And... I feared so much I will write an enormous post, but now I realized I have nothing to write about EBM or Neofolk (from Germany or in general..) so I'll end here. But thanks for the band names, demon. I have yet to check on them, I've only listened to a few songs so far.


Then it must've gotten stuck at some point before it got to Poland, because we seem to be missing this part of slavonic heritage (maybe except for some grannies who still live in the 80's...).

By the way, I'm not sure I understood what you wrote about currencies? If by "the same" you meant that everyone is using Euros, then we are an exception to this, we still use zloty's. Anyway, yes, it's western prices meet Polish (or some other countries from the poorer group) salary where the problem begins..

Hi morana,

the polisch-german relationships are so old as this two nations are. So don't worry about a few prematures that are propagated in the press. I think it's characteristic for stupid peolple to underestimate the intelligence of others. In fact there are millions of Germans with Polisch roots and the relations between our two countries are of manifold nature and very intensive. I think, Germany never got a problem with Poland but Poland got to suffer under German imperialism quite a lot in the past.

Now we are looking forward onto better times and we hope for Poland, to become one of the central powers for the integration of the European Union, like France and Germany are at the moment. Poland got a steady economic growth (even in the crisis of 2009) which is bigger than in Germany for example, so the wealth gap will be done in 20-30 years.

I mean, gothic got something to do with luxury and many people who are living in the former Comecon Countries might have different preferences at the moment, but I'm sure the materialistic approach of capitalism won't satisfy a strong minority for long. Gothic will grow and there is a strong tendency for sadness and deepness of the soul in the slavonic heritage and the contributions of modern Polish composers like Witold Lutoslawski or Krzystof Penderecki let me hope for a significant enrichment of the international gothic subculture through Poland as well. It takes time morana, please inform us about new developments in Poland when they occur.

You're both doing pretty well for a pair of nations barely out of their teens :p

Wolfsheim are funny. There aren't that many country and western songs you can get away with in a Goth club.....

Thank you, what did you do in your history lessons?



However, it seems to be easy to entertain you.

Oh, that's okay, I agree, only stupid people think low of others because of some stereotypes, and so I'm not personally worried about it much. I mentioned it only because it's not really considered "normal" for a Polish person to like Germany (although, I wouldn't say it's normal to dislike it either.. It's complicated )...
As for the Polish roots.. last summer I spent some time around a group of people from Germany. Some were 'real' German, one or two had some Polish roots (x generations away, nor real connection to Poland anymore), and one had Polish roots AND spoke both German and Polish. All were very nice, tried to make friends with us (Poles) and were generally friendly... except the one with Polish roots who, even though he knew Polish and all, still played the "I'm so German and better than you" card :/ So it really shows it's not about nations but individuals...

And although I don't really follow things in Poland, I promise I'll check Polish forums from time to time and see if something interesting catches my eye.


Haha, we used to joke over here that Poland is just a country where everthing fails - even the crisis!


I guess I didn't get it...

Paid more attention than most

At this point the USA is one of the oldest nations around since it's had no externally forced restructuring of it's government since the foundation.

I suppose it all depends on how exactly you define a state to come into or leave being.

Let's talk about music, festivals and the scene. We distinguish between the cultural nation and the state in Germany, because the german languaged people are living in different states since many centuries. But this is off topic I guess.

We don't divide between new and old Germans. It is a question of the heart not of the name. People mix up since centuries. Its not a question of opinions but of interests. So Poland and Germany will share the same interests more and more. Please let us end this discussion. It doesn't fit here.

I didn't mean to divide between new and old Germans, that's why I put 'real' in quotation marks. I only meant that some of them had a connection to Poland and some didn't, and ironically the only one who seemed to have any problem with Poland was the one who had the strongest ties. I probably shouldn't have written it at all I definitely didn't mean anything bad and I'm very sorry if it felt so
I promise not to touch the subject again.

Don't feel bad, morana; I think demon was only suggesting what he'd said before - that this thread is for us to talk about our local scenes, and it was starting to wander off track a bit. I think this thread is great, and I'm learning a lot from it; let's play nice, or we'll lose it.

Killing Joke and post-punk revivalists Interpol are playing this years Electric Picnic

Actually, as festivals go, that's a pretty neat line-up. As far as blip-blip artists go, the Chemical Brothers are among the more listenable (and original), and there seem to be a number of gnetters around with a fondness for P J Harvey (including, if I'm not mistaken, your good self)...

Yes, I am quite smitten with Polly, and I really like her music too
Theres quite a few listed I'm a fan of, I went last year and can recommend it, a very laid back festival, both staff and punters were very friendly, family friendly with free creches etc.
Last year had Pil and The Fall

Don't worry dear, but I don't mind about national identification any more. It is like Minnie said, it is simply offtopic in this thread.

I'm really glad to hear about Fall and Killing Joke, their Wardance gave me a lot and the newer records are great. The Fall I know since room to live. It was an amazing gig in Bielefeld some years later, but I don't now much of the rest of the line up.

I wouldn't mind seeing Interpol and PJ Harvey myself, but I know I won't bother to go.

Fair point. No need to derail so much over a failed joke.