You are very ernest about your beliefs and really have things well thought out. It's good to know there are people that use their brains.

About the healthcare thing, I have to admit I am not much of an expert on the matter and should do some more research on it.

I was not proposing a philosophy that we should end evil by letting everyone die, I was just saying that we can't save everyone, sure I think we should try to save people, but sometimes people are just going to die and there is nothing that we can do about it.

I am not a supporter of necrophilia, nor am I a supporter of pedophilia, bestiality etc. I simply have a hard time understanding why one controversial sexual group is looked upon as being ok, but not the others. I can see your point about consenting adults in a relationship, that made some sense to me. One thing I can see we both agree on is that polygamy is very confusing. You seem to have no hypocrisy from your standpoint and that speaks well of you. My dislike of Obama is very unrelated to this issue and I don't know why you thought it had anything to do with it, but I can see perhaps how something I said might have been misleading. My dislike of Obama is not a personal dislike, I'm sure he's a very nice man, I simply disagree with him on certain issues.

I certainly hope this cleared up your misconceptions about my opinions. Next time I'll try to communicate my thoughts more clearly.

Wraith,

It looks like I completely misread your post when it came to Obama, gay marriage, and necrophilia. That's what I get for posting before breakfast My apologies.

SS

It's ok, I deal with misunderstandings like this all the time.

Sounds like you've been spending time on teh interwebz

SS

I hope the universal health care works out well. I don't have dental insurance so I tend to go without it, despite that I need it. Something I have been pondering is: if the government pays for my teeth to be cleaned twice a year and to fill my cavities more cost effective than paying for all my teeth to be ripped out and dentures? I don't think is really is; I could be wrong. But I like the idea of the government providing assitance rather than non-profit organizations like the Red Cross. The Red Cross could put their money towards individuals with more serious health problems than cavities.

I don't agree with everything that Obama has on his agenda. Politicians are never trustworthy. So for me, it's never really a question of whether or not to trust a President. If he gets a lot of the things done that I agree with; I'm happy. He's definitely not just sitting back and resting his feet on the desk in the Oval Office. He's busy and motivated, always challenging congress to work faster. As far as politicians go, I think we have a good deal with Obama as compared to some other administrations. What more can we expect from a politician? Magic and Miracles?

See... what immediately comes to mind here is to cut all current forms of handouts and welfare and replace them with (drumroll please) universal socialised healthcare, governmental housing projects and food voucher systems. There will always be people who freeload on the system, but if they want anything more than food and healthcare then they'll either have to go drag themselves up or start scamming themselves.

I like most of what Obama is doing and trying to get done, so far.

I agree that he could do more for gay marriage, though. It's ridiculous to hide behind religion about the issue like he's done. If I wanted to live in a country repressed by religion I'd move to the middle east.

It rankles me the same way that it did when Bush wanted to ban Wiccans from practicing their religion in the military. That was the day everyone at work found out I was a 'godless heathen', after I'd been working there for over a year.

If the wiccans in the US Army are anything like the wiccans I've met over the years.... Bush just wanted them to stop leaving their helmet in the humvee and trusting candles to protect them from bullets......

Being a Canadian and also a proud person of colour, I've watch Obama's progress with delight. I mean, 5 months? Give the man some time, people. Everyone expects this man to be the Messiah for America's woe but with the mess that America is in, 5 months is definitely equivalent to a minute in this political climate. Those people who are expecting dramatic change are extremely impatient.

I mean, he has 4 years.

I do not understand why anyone would expect a political figure such as a president to be a Messiah, let alone America's. I try not to get into polotics as the entire subject just annoys me.
But :

I have no fondness for the man one way or another. I put no hope or asperations in his abilities and no despair in his lack of abilities. the president is but one aspect of the government, in my opinion. The only power he really has is what the other branches allow him to have, granted he does have the power to do some things. But everything he promised? Hell no.
He is just a man, a poloitican who will do and say what he needs to in order to keep the people decently happy for the most part and stay in power for as long as he can. If he does some good great, if not then i can only hope he does not make it worse.
I just do not think we should base his political stnace and ability based on color, nor should we support a man based on the color of the skin, but on the person's actions. It is his actions i see when i look at him, and right now i am unimpressed, one way or the other.

I keep telling the nay-sayers(like my hubby) that what the President is setting into motion right now will take many years to see the fruitions of, but all he can see is that in just one year Obama hasn't done EVERYTHING he's said he was aiming for RIGHT NOW. People obviously don't understand the trickle down effect and it shows.

Personally, I hope Obama gets re-elected next time so he can start to see the fruits of his labor.

GODLESS HEATHEN! Was this quote taken from the mouth of someone!? Haa! And I agree he could do more for gay marriage. But then again, I think if a church wants to not participate in the process. they shouldn't have to. but maybe that's because I'm not into organized religion either and being queer myself, I wouldn't want to get married in a place to sees me as some sort of threat to their congregation

It's actually a quote from my husband, said in jest. No one at work would have dared say anything to my face because that would be religious descrimination....or something. I don't think people should be forced to think a certain way, but I do think that they should modernize a lot of religious teachings since we all know these days that women are smarter than cows. I did end up educating a few people about 'witches' and who they were actually burning and torturing during the witch-trials and Spanish Inquisition.

I think that two consenting adults should be able to get married to whoever they love and have it be a 'marriage' with all of the rights that intitles them to. I'm against 'seperate but equal' in any way, shape or form, which is exactly what the President was proposing.

My only problem with Obama, like I said.

There are congregations that are becoming more accepting of gay members. Maybe a small percent, but it's something.

My personal view is that marriage should remain a holy sacrament, and governed by the church, and all "non-religious" joining be considered civil unions of sorts, but that both be given the same legal rights. Basically, all marriages are civil unions, but not all civil unions are marriages...if that makes any sense (a ceremony performed by a judge would not be considered a marriage). Separation of church and state. If the church wants marriage to be a certain way, let the church have it! Everything else is a civil union (and couples can call it a marriage if they so choose...civil union will be the legal term, and will still require a divorce), and will give each the right to file their taxes as one unit, provide benefits to the spouse, adopt children, hold community property, etc.

Guys, let's not start getting into definitions of marriage in this thread, because as a non-Christian married person, I'm about to become irritated. That and the topic is about the President's performance to-date.

Thanks.