What! I was glad to see someone give Q what was coming to him! I hated all the Q episodes because he was invincible and rubbed it in, except for the one where he becomes human - the time when he feels sick "Because you're hungry!" was priceless

And also as far as being a demigod or being considered a messiah - it didn't make him arrogant; in fact, he wasn't comfortable with the Bajorans' reverence.

I do see your point about what Picard underwent vs Kirk's experiences - although he had more seasons to do everything (although Kirk had more movies - does it even out? )

Lol Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Q didn't deserve his Ben Sisko smackdown, nor am I saying that I didn't enjoy every second of it! It does speak of Picard's limitless patience, though (although Sisko's lack of patience does wonders for making his character more realistic and flawed).

And you're right; becoming a demigod didn't make Sisko arrogant in the slightest, unlike Kirk's pal Gary Mitchell.




It does if you toss in the two animated years.

I love you, man. Not even close...I'm 51. I remember watching the original series in the late '60s, when I would have been around 7 or 8 years old. I LOVED that show.

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DS9 was the first series I watched religiously, I mean, I watched TNG and TOS, but theres still probably episodes of both I've not seen, not so with DS9.
I found voyager boring for the most part and didn't really enjoy it much until the Borg came in, because I fricking love the borg.
I've only seen a few episodes of Enterprise, it didn't really grab me.

Is this the wrong place to say I'm actually a huge B5 fan?

The original series is an awesome show when you're at that age. I was around that same age when I decided Spock would be my role model for the rest of my life.




Same here on all counts. Never missed a single DS9 episode. Voyager, on the other hand, was worthless before they brought the Borg in with "Scorpion, Part 1", though they soon overused the Borg. They took an interesting villain and turned them into an old Adam West Batman type villain by the series' end. Anytime Voyager showed up in Borg space, the Borg Queen would look at the ship through her viewscreen and sneer, "Janeway," like she was Lex Luthor watching Superman flying into his supervillain hideout.

As for Enterprise... ugh. I can't say enough bad things about its first two seasons. The latter seasons were good, but there was no way that series wasn't getting canceled. The last episode - "These Are the Voyages..." - was absolutely horrible. Why couldn't they just let the series stand on its own? Did they really have to make the entire damn series into a TNG holodeck episode??




Not at all! My friend Jason is a major B5 fan; that's actually why he liked DS9 so much, it was practically the same show (to him, anyway). I've been getting into that series myself, though I found the switchover from Sinclair to Sheridan a bit jarring.


EDIT: I just realized the vote is at a deadlock! Nine votes, and it's an even three-way split between Shatner's Kirk, Stewart's Picard and Brooks' Sisko!

I've seen all of the TOS, TNG and DS9s. I just could NOT get into Voyager and I'm not sure why - I just did not find the aliens nearly as interesting. I thought some of the characters were a bit too touchy-feely.

Another BIG B5 fan here! and Susan Ivanova and Delenn have got to be my top favorite female science fiction characters.

This thread should have been called "Experience Bij!" because forcing me to choose between Kirk and Picard is a most cruel and unusual punishment.

Sheridan was much better than Sinclair though, even despite his penchant for dramatic speeches.

also, a big shout out, and mad props to the jem hadar (I know thats spelt wrong, I'm drinking, forgive me).
The only race that came close to comfiscating my Borg love.

I was really into the first 3 seasons of B5 too, but didn't see anything after that

There were a few good characters. Tom Paris has always been pure awesomeness: top notch pilot, streetwise ex-con, former terrorist commando, decent amateur nurse and all-around ladies' man with a sense of humor. B'Elanna actually became a character when they paired her with Paris. Tuvok was a walking, talking, well-acted example of how to waste a good character concept; he could've been an awesome Vulcan "Sherlock Holmes", if the writers knew what the hell they were doing. Same with Chakotay, the former terrorist leader (who didn't terrorize anybody)/advanced tactical trainer at Starfleet (who didn't know tactics for shit)/cultural anthropologist (who displayed horrible ignorance of actual anthropology in the first season)/fake Native American from a fake tribe. So many wasted opportunities with him, then the writers just stuck him in the background because they had no clue what they were doing. Harry Kim was just... way too damn "green" for his own good, and he never grew past that. The Doctor (why the flying fuck didn't they ever give him a damn name???) and Seven of Nine were good (though Seven got a bit overused, and pairing her with Chakotay made no sense at all).

And Neelix. Fucking Neelix. I don't talk about Neelix. He's the Jar-Jar Binks of Trek.




They were well-written, believable characters. They weren't damsels in distress. They were interesting (though Ivanova's constant harping about her Russian-ness kind of got a bit too "Chekov" at times).




Depends on the Kirk. Shatner's Kirk? Bloody awesome. Chris Pine's Kirk? I wanted to drop-kick him through an airlock after the Kobayashi Maru.



He was (and the dramatic speeches had their moments), but I think it was mainly because Michael O'Hare was just not cut out to portray the kind of character he was cast for (though I did think Sinclair was a better CO than, say, Enterprise's Jonathan Archer). He did get some character growth (ironically) after leaving the series as a main star, and the next few times we saw Sinclair, O'Hare had a better grasp of him and Straczynski had tailored the character more for O'Hare's acting style.




The Jem'Hadar were damned interesting indeed! Some things I always wondered...

• Could you remove or duplicate a Jem'Hadar's biological ability to "shroud" and create a personal cloaking device based on it?
• What would happen if a Founder got assimilated by the Borg? (Could a Founder be assimilated by the Borg?) How fucked would the galaxy be if there were shapeshifting Borg?

Season 4 of B5 was spectacular! You could tell season 5 was just kind of tacked-on after the primary narrative had played out, though.


EDIT: Yay, the deadlock has ended! Thus far, unless others on the forum jump in to vote any time soon, the winner appears to be Shatner's Kirk.

I would seriously trade them all for a holodeck adventure with Reginald Barclay.

-- Nephele

Hells yeah, Barclay was the man! Bet he was one helluva holo-fanfic writer!

Hmmmm... Trouble is, it'd be bogged down by safety protocols and wouldn't contain anything remotely scary. In fact, I'm sure that this is one of Reg's distant ancestors...

I say pooh to that. Barclay was an alienated genius! He also had a healthy respect for the dangers of space, and he was often proved right.

And Dwight Schultz made every show better.

-- Nephele

Barclay was a real good guy and I felt for him in his earlier nervousness. I got so mad at Wesley for calling him Broccoli.