What are some things that you currently like and dislike about the Gothic scene right now and why? This can relate to anything as long as you feel that it is relevant to what the Gothic scene of today is.

I don't really like the fact the EBM and Darkwave genres are more associated with 'true' goth these days. I find it sad that the number of Gothic Rock and Deathrock bands drops, and most of the newer bands are better off dead anyway. I didn't get to see the Batcave but I'm still longing for that time... *goes to smoke*

I see what you mean when I was younger those things seemed like such a turn off to me and I just immediately decided that that was what goth was about but as I grew a bit older I found out about Deathrock and learned that there was more to the Gothic subculture then I originally thought.... Although I say that I can not completely agree with you about it being for the worse though. Personally in my opinion its better for Deathrock to be not as big or celebrated as EBM or Darkwave music because that way Deathrock can continue to be underground and not turn into what Punk eventually did.... Mainstream and way to played out. Deathrock's not dead its undead. ^.~

(P.s... I didn't really mention "Gothic rock" because well.. I can't help but disagree with it not being as celebrated nowadays because I know plenty more new Gothic rock bands then Deathrock bands...)

When it comes to the current scene, I don't understand why EMB and Cyber are so big. I'm not against Cyber Goths nor do I dislike them, but I just don't get the popularity. Personally, I've tried listening to EBM and Industrial, but they just aren't my thing. It's sad their aren't as many Gothic Rock and Deathrock bands as their used to be and to me the newer ones aren't that good. What's even sadder about this is that Gothic Rock and Deathrock are perhaps the most important genres within the Gothic subculture.

On another note, it appears that Mall Goths are almost completely gone now that Hot Topic has drastically changed.

New Gothic and Deathrock bands aren't good...? Which ones have tried to get into recently? I mean yes, some newer Deathrock bands are silly especially bands like Tragic Black but there are actually quite a few newer underground bands that would fit your tastes and that aren't completely different from the older scene you just have to look harder.

Also yes, thank god Hot Topic has gone to the scene kids... Now things won't nearly be the same as they use to be. xD

I guess your right, maybe you could PM me some suggestions?

I agree, however the only problem is that with Hot Topic gone Scene there will be no store that I can actually go to try on and buy Tripp Pants.

I usually viewed EBM and cybergoth as the EDM and techno music of goth.

And a fair amount of EDM and techno annoy me, so it's understandable as to why I don't listen to much EBM or cybergoth in the first place.

As with darkwave, I think one thing that a lot of people are annoyed about with the term is that it's being used as a catch-all phrase (or something like that). Like, "darkwave" is anything that is unclassifiable but distinctly goth, or,""darkwave" is goth with a bit more electronics but not too much electronics or else it'd be classified as "industrial" (and industrial music and its place within goth is in a league of its own). Ooooorrrrrrrrrrr, "darkwave" is anything that you want to be goth but you're afraid to call it goth out of fear of being jousted for calling it so without paying homage to anything post-punk related? . . .

They are not difficult to make... some well suited pants from a thrift store, package of clothing rivets (cap rivets) and a collection of nylon straps, buckles and chains from the dollar store (usually dog leashes/collars) Take an hour or two of your creative time... They will be as unique as you are and when your done you can post the pics in the DIY thread...

I've actually tried making some before and it went really bad, so the best I can do is buy them.

Sure, I'll try and PM you a few when I get the chance to. ^.^

Haha, well I think with Hot Topic gone this could possibly give you a chance to try something new maybe you could possibly try skinny jeans or flares? Unless there is some serious reason why you can't of course... Then I would just try suggest that you find some other things that might fit your taste and go with that. (:

Well I like Tripps because they're very comfortable plus I enjoy the look, and I have tried on skinny jeans and I didn't like the feel, or look.

To be honest I always thought that Cybergoth was more of its own subculture if anything... I mean in a way some parts of it are just a bit to different from the original scene. >.>

Also, as for Darkwave I don't really have a problem with that type of music except the fact that most people don't actually know what it actually is... I actually listen to a fair amount of Post-punk and Darkwave music but in all honesty I would never consider most of it as "Gothic".

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Have you tried flares though? You might enjoy those if you haven't already I know I enjoy mine. (:

Yes, again not my thing.

And on the topic of Darkwave, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's lost as to what the meaning is.

Hmm, things I like about the the Gothic scene? The what I consider to be "true gothic rock" (Siouxsie and the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, Joy Division... bands like that) is probably one of the best things about the scene. Some of the fashion is awesome- I say some cos I'm not a fan of dresses and the likes.

Things I don't like: the stereotypes that are associated with goths. Annoying, but hey- it's life. People are always afraid of things that are different, and if making up false beliefs to rid themselves of their paranoia, then so be it. Not a big fan of the EBM groups of today- they just don't appeal to me.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and play Devil's Advocate.

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Personally, I used to be this way. I was all about "Get that rave out of my grave!" stuffs, or "You can dance to deathrock, too!" However, these days...not so much. I'm not exactly up in the industrial shaking my thing, but I'm not hating anymore.

I like to think of Goth subculture as a multifaceted jewel, and rather than nick picking at the different facets, I'm starting to think it should be coveted for its entirety. That includes a lot of negative stuff...but that stuff I normally keep a sense of morbid humor about.

I'm not without my issues, in other words, with the whole EBM/Industrial being equated with Goth. However, I realize we're talking about a somewhat underground movement here. It may have some exposure to the light, but Goth overall is a small community (at least, in the States). I'd rather draw people out to dance and enjoy themselves, than shun and complain about the rivets and gravers and their "silly" fashion.

I guess that's just me though, because I'm essentially a "what floats your boat" kinda guy. I still look back to the "halcyon days" of the Goth and Punk scene and wish I could be there, however one can't simply revive the past. It'll always come back...something else. It's never the same, and sometimes it turns up worse. Rotted and falling apart.

I guess what I'm saying is that this issue is somewhat annoying, and really should become a non-issue. People should look to the past, sure, but they should move forward with a nod to the past. If we focus too much on the old school we risk trapping ourselves in a narrow niche that may never really go anywhere but back to the grave.
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Sorry if this seems out of nowhere.