It's fitting for Highschool kids who don't have money to purchase all of the epikkness that is goth. Then again, goth has variety in styles that cater toward people who don't have the money. I guess what it comes down to is creativity.

Though I will say emo does have some cool looking art:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/emo% ... ae-1-1.jpg

Goth has been around way longer to the point where it's grown into these detailed styles while emo is new and basic. I'm not an expert on the stuff, I personally like the look of the expressive styles, plus emo girls can be very attractive.

Ignorant people... meaning most of the world?

but does it really matter what "ignorant people" say? You may argue and try to explain it to them, but since they are "ignorant" they won't take notice and remember all that stuff anyway. So let them be, after all they don't care really, why should we?

And as about the main question - I don't even remember how old I was when I adapted dark clothes. I guess I've must been really young, since I don't have head for colours so if I was to choose my own clothes they were dark. Plus - I had my first leather jacket when I was 6ish (and I'm still somewhere in between goth and metal style). First time when I've actually heard about gothic subculture was when I was 13 and a girl in school approached me and asked if I was a goth. It was a very first time when I heard that word, so I really don't know when I consciously decided to dress like a goth. Guess I was born this way

Oh, and btw, I'm new here

Sometimes high school kids have a lot of spending money since they don't yet have many financial obligations. Though just because they have a lot of spending money, doesn't mean they're using it wisely. Just think of all those kids who only know about hot topic and don't realize all the other ways they could get clothing for instance.

When I stop and think of some of the crazy things I spent money on as a teenager

Ignorant people to fashion in general. I can't tell you how many guys at my work come in wearing clip on ties. (Who aren't cops.) How many people wear black with dark blue socks! Don't get me started on crocs, their whole existance is a detriment to fashion. I can't even sit down and have an in-depth conversation about self grooming and the advantages of the straight edge over your common household safety razer. Okay, I'm getting off topic, the point is, people don't care to take time to learn things, they rather just assume things as being black and white. Their way of applying the little they know as a popssible conversation starter?

-- Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:21 pm --



Welcome to the goth forums. How I really noticed goth was when a girl I liked dressed the style. Maybe I liked her fashion more than her. Anyways, I was around 13 as well. I also wore all black in school a couple times without realizing it and people started to ask me as well. I remember thinking how much I liked it.

I had a podiatrist try to sell me a pair of crocs once. Easily makes my list of "most awkward conversations I've ever had"

Couldn't tell if he was trolling or just trying to supplement his income selling them out of his office.

Everytime I see crocs I grit my teeth. Especially when those huge white trash women wear them at the fairs and when guys wear them it is beyond horrible.

Sometimes comfort supercedes fashion. I know several people that wear them, including my wife.

Regarding the original topic of the thread, I have to say it was the late nineties/early two thousands explosion of drag-n'-drop dolls that turned me onto Gothic Fashion. I remember being five years old in '98 or '99 and allowed to go on the internet for the first time, but only If I stayed on certain approved websites. One of those websites was a 'Gothic dress up doll' game and I remember thinking they were the most beautiful things I'd ever seen. That's pretty much why turned me on to the fashion; that and some of the female villains on Scooby Doo . I'd constantly try to dress as 'darkly' as possible; and also decided to start looking for darker and darker music until I found Joy Division when I was 14.

The doll thing lasted until I was twelve years old, at the height of the Emo craze. Unfortunately at the same time I found out about black and white striped tights ; and decided to wear them with everything not realizing how associated they were with the so-called 'Emo Fashion'. People would get up in my face and accuse me of being Emo using the same tone of voice they'd use to accuse a murderer. I said 'No!' for the most part; but didn't know anything about the gothic subculture or that I was already listening to the music as well as wearing the clothing. So one day I said 'Yes, I am Emo!'. <---Although I was already dressing in a pretty gothic way (and unfortunately also a little mall gothish), this mistaken admission of being emo had done three things:

1. It made me decide to keep dressing this way forever; because this style of clothing was 'Me',and if caused so much controversy then it was for the best. My neighborhood needed a little diversity, anyhow.
2. It made me realize that 'Emo' kids are human beings, even if they can be whiny they do not deserve the amount of harassment and abuse they get.
3. Fashion snobbery is ridiculous. You can dress gothic if you want, and wear it well. That's not going to stop you from looking ridiculous to most of the general population, especially if you're snarking at mainstream people's clothing or other alternative types, even if they are horrible.
Both "The pot calling the kettle black" and "When you're dead you take nothing with you but your soul" apply to this.

So yes...if you think it's terrible being mistaken for emo and harassed, then just imagine what happens if there is mistake.

Goth has always been a blur for me growing up. I recognized the style but I never associated a name with it. The earliest I can remember the fashion was back in school when a girl I liked dressed goth. I remember her wearing a lot of rings and I thought it looked great.

My music tastes are about as dark as they are not dark. I listen to many types of music and I can't really claim to like more dark music than anyone else. I can claim to know more music than anyone I know and that includes all my genres.

Emo is fashionable. It adds detail to a person who takes time in dressing a certain way. To me, dedication is attractive, especially when someone applies effort to looking good in a certain style. I will say I never felt sorry for them. Like most things contraversial, when you do them out in the open you can only expect attention and I know that is the point. To look different is to display your interest in the things not entirely popular or accepeted.

Personally I much refer the actual "Scene" fashion, it is more flashy and requires far more time and effort to make it look good but the final effect is better (looks a bit like a variation of glam-rockers look). Not really for me, but people do look well with it. Also, these two styles are often mixed up (and, according to my scene sister - they are not the same)

Perhaps I'm wrong, but most emo kids I saw didn't look good - there was nothing interesting about them - tacky, plastic jewellery that for some reason does not look as cute and funky as it does in scene fashion, clothes few sizes too big/small making them looks somehow out of proportion, badly done panda make-up and pants worn at knees hight. In general most of them looked like they took worst bits from punk and SK8's styles and mixed them together. In general - I saw NO effort except the will to shock and since they all look exactly the same there was no shock-factor in it. Seriously - there is no other subculture which involves so much conformity, despite the fact that conformity is somehow a base for subcultures.

Oh it can definitely be done wrong. Goth itself can be pretty cheap and it can be expensive. My sets contain both cheap and high priced items. Goth can also be tacky though.

Skinny jeans, converse, black and white arm warmers, eye liner, skinny ties, tailored button shirts, studded belts and wrist cuffs. I don't see any issue with the emo style. They accessorize just as goths do and emo has a much more subtle approach than goth. I think they look great, again, especially the attractive emo girls.

As a kid I liked to shady, most people never noticed me. And I liked to stand out as a teenager and I enjoyed the way it felt to conceal myself with a mask of darkness. I am actually a fairly normal person, but dressing goth has always made me unpredictable and I like that.

Well - this style sort of repulse me. Not everyone should wear skinny jeans (and man actually look pretty bad wearing them) and I see no link between the way emo' and gothic accessories. To me emo is simply about throwing all flashy stuff you can get and throw it on yourself - belts are to hold trousers in place, not hang loosely along with them next to ground. The only people who look good with that sort of style are involved in scene movement. Plus, I don't mean that stuff you wear must be "expensive". It does not matter - it's about how tacky their clothes look like. Make-up and hair style that doesn't even fit facial features-tragedy, clothes that don't have correct size...no, I don't like it. But as I said - I'm talking about people I saw in real life, not on the internet and pictures which are pretty much made in photoshop.

Another thing - this style may look nice on little girls and young teenagers. Pink, plastic bows with skulls which remind me of Monster High is a no-no to me. The only women who can wear cute clothes, draw hearts on their hands and still look awesome are Harajuku Girls. Otherwise it looks like trying to hard to be cute/sexy/whatever else they're trying to be. Btw, what I've noticed when you type in "emo girls" on googles lots of images of scene girls pop-ups. Apparently the most obvious difference is hair (scene have colourful, puffy styles and a bit more "alternative", suicidal-girl look)

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Agreed.